iLoveOncall 2 days ago

> Do you know of a restaurant that’s been losing money for an entire first decade of its operations, and yet remained open? Or any small business in such a situation?

I stopped reading here, which is at the very start of the article, because unlike restaurants there are plenty of examples of companies that remained unprofitable for a decade and then turned a profit.

It also ignores the fact that up until 2022ish, OpenAI wasn't even trying to be a for profit company.

I fully agree that it's a bubble and I think it already has started popping, but this article is low quality and honestly full of basic errors.

blharr 2 days ago

a hugely rambling article, and I don't see how it's final thesis relates to its argument at all

> Because the AI business model relies on reducing social connections between human beings, it is not sustainable. Thus, there is the AI bubble, and it will burst.

"Because it relies on reducing social connections, i ts, not sustainable" isn't a logical argument. There's plenty of cases where reducing social connections have been sustainable enough to generate immense profits. If anything, social connections are completely antithetical to generating profit. Actual 'social' professions are often the least paid and most overworked jobs with little ability to scale.

  • netsharc 2 days ago

    And author says social media companies was a positive thing. Sheeeesh.

    One day I looked around me and was amazed at how many things around me got there because I clicked on buttons in online shops (vs leaving the house, going to the store, purchasing it and taking it home). Buying plane tickets? Clicks. Go to the airport, scan boarding pass (also obtained digitally), all the way to the gate where on domestic flights no one even checks for ID, no "social connection" needed.

    • 1718627440 2 days ago

      > And author says social media companies was a positive thing. Sheeeesh.

      The author never claimed it was positive as in "morally good". He said it as in "you can make good money with that".

  • 1718627440 2 days ago

    > I don't see how it's final thesis relates to its argument at all

    > Because it relies on reducing social connections, i ts , not sustainable" isn't a logical argument.

    It seems like the author uses a different understanding of the term "social connections between human beings", which might be better described with "physical or virtual effect on actually existing commoners". "Social" as in "society", not as in "relationship"; "connection" as in "relation between things" aka. "is a", "has a", not as "social bonding" or "transmission channel".

    I think a financial transaction or a contract counts as a social connection here.

  • Rastonbury 2 days ago

    that 95% of AI projects by corporate is so over repeated, whenever I see it I get turned off by the lack of originality of thought

    Also author cites Google and FB time to profit, they are outliers and things are different now with companies staying private longer. Uber took 15 years to get cash flow positive

countWSS 2 days ago

a far more obvious answer is that any AI that relies on matrix multiplication or equivalently near-cubic complexity cannot scale exponentially with existing hardware and investing in datacenters requires actual operating revenue(that doesn't grow exponentially) instead of loans and venture capital.

nialse 2 days ago

Interesting. A more dystopian take is that human interaction will be limited to a privileged class. The unprivileged will ”have to do” with machine interaction. It’s not really something new. Automation lowers cost. But it the perpetual growth economy there also needs to be more profit, which leaves charging more and/or lowering cost even more as the only viable options. See where this is going? As with food, the unprivileged will have to do with energy rich, low quality, mass produced interaction. Music is the next/current frontier. The privileged will seek out in person events, while the unprivileged will ”have to do” with energy rich, low quality, mass produced machine made culture.

  • 1718627440 2 days ago

    The question is whether the commoners put up with that, which is kind of like "the bubble pops".

    • nialse a day ago

      Sounds more like an upcoming revolution than a bubble popping then. Makes me kind of happy! My fear is that AI is and will be used to keep people content and passive.

egberts1 2 days ago

Another nonobvious answer is AI companies have overextended themselves with circular revenues between their own two entities thereby resulting in fake revenues, expiring receivables, and brilliant marketing.

SEC to follow up.

https://substack.com/inbox/post/179453867

nr378 2 days ago

The "bubble" will burst if it turns out that the demand for OpenAI/Anthropic's services is primarily driven by investment-dollars (i.e. VC money) rather than revenue-dollars.

If OpenAI/Anthropic's customers are themselves generating real revenue with reasonable margins, then it's not a bubble at all.

  • MikeNotThePope 2 days ago

    Reminds me of the obscene valuations of larger tech companies like Microsoft, Cisco, and Amazon during the dotcom bubble. The companies were overvalued by any reasonable measure.

    Cisco Systems

    - Peak: $555-579B market cap, March 2000 ($80/share)

    - Low: $8.12/share, late 2002 (down ~90%)

    - Recovery: Never fully recovered; still below peak as of Nov 2025 ($308B market cap)

    Microsoft

    - Peak: $614B market cap, December 1999

    - Low: Down ~60% to below $250B by December 2000

    - Recovery: October 2016 (17 years to recover)

    Amazon

    - Peak: $113/share, December 1999

    - Low: $5.51/share, late 2001 (down ~95%)

    - Recovery: Late 2009 (10 years), though briefly recovered in 2007 before 2008 crash set it back to full recovery in 2010

    It will be interesting to see which companies survive and which implode.

    • 1718627440 2 days ago

      Are the recovery times inflation adjusted?

      • MikeNotThePope a day ago

        No, these are just the raw numbers. Adjusting for inflation, I guess recovery times would be even longer.

queensnake 2 days ago

He puts the bubble pop down to people needing human connection, 'feeling cared for', but his example shows the AI customer support simply getting nowhere.

more_corn 2 days ago

Reading that article was a waste of precious minutes of my life.

Let me save you a click “the AI business model relies on reducing social connections between human beings, it is not sustainable”

Two statements, both untrue.